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Sinner Mango Velomobile Review
As of December 2011, I've owned my Mango velomobile for over two years and ridden nearly 18000 km in it (2021 update: I've now had it for 10 years and ridden over 50000 km).
I've commuted, raced and toured with the Mango. I've ridden it on my own and with groups, I've ridden it short distances and long.
This is a three part review based on my personal use of this bike1.
The review is in three parts, and has the following sections:
1 - The English language lacks a handy word to describe any bicycle or tricycle. Though it's not entirely correct, I use "bike" and "bicycle" to describe any bike or trike. The Dutch word "fiets" describes any type of "bicycle".
A velomobile attracts attention
it's not for the shy.
What is a velomobile like ?
When you first ride a velomobile, perhaps the first impression is that it's a bit tricky to get into. There is then the impression of being closed in. They are also noisy compared with standard bicycles and the extra weight of the body makes them initially accelerate quite slowly. These things are all quite unlike a normal bicycle and in the first few seconds they may well make you wonder why anyone would want such a thing.
After a few seconds the impression changes. While the body is closed there is still airflow through the bike, wind against your face and in your hair. The initial slow acceleration is forgotten when you realise that it remains easy to accelerate to higher speeds due to the aerodynamics. At this point you realise that the main sounds that you hear are now due to the wind, so the velomobile is no longer so noisy relative to other bicycles.
With a little more experience you find that the initial difficulty with getting in and out is forgotten. What's more, there are many conveniences, from the trivial such as not having to put your foot down when you stop to the more important such as staying dry when it rains and warm when there is snow and ice and therefore cycling becomming a hassle free 365 day a year experience.
The weatherproof shell encloses both a great deal of luggage as well as reducing maintenance due to the enclosed drive-chain. It also greatly reduces aerodynamic drag, increasing average speeds even against headwinds.
A velomobile is probably the most efficient vehicle in existance. I did some "back of an envelope" calculations about this a little while ago, which indicate that I've produced 3000 kg less CO2 by travelling by mango than I would have done by car, saving over €2000 in petrol cost.
Finally, a velomobile is not for the shy. The Netherlands has more velomobiles per capita than any other nation, but even here there is only approximately one in every 4000 households. You have to be prepared for questions to be asked.
One of the very oldest Mangos from 2002
after more than 150000 km
About the Mango
The design of the Mango originated in 2002 with velomobiel.nl. The Mango was practical every-day use version of the Quest velomobile which originally also had a 20 inch rear wheel. The most obvious difference was the open wheel arches, which reduce the aerodynamic efficiency a little, but result in a better turning radius and easier maintenance. The Mango was also lighter in weight, slightly narrower and quite a bit shorter in length, making it easier to store.
In 2007, the Mango design was sold to Harry Lieben who produced Mangos as "Go-Mango" and then to Sinner who continue to produce Mangos to this date.
There are few parts in common between the 2002 Mangos and the present day production. However, the very oldest can still be maintained so they remain a good second hand buy.
My Mango (#202) under
construction in 2009
My involvement with Sinner and the Mango
In early 2009 I started a part time job working for Sinner producing both the original Mango and the touring oriented Mango+, which has a much larger luggage capacity.
I also had the opportunity to build (with considerable help from my colleagues) a Mango for myself. As I was responsible for the electronics it has a dashboard which includes charging of both batteries from a solar panel which I fitted on the top of my Mango, USB outlets to run accessories and also a warning light to tell me when the battery that I'm using is flat and a switch to flip over to the second battery.
My Mango has a slight "factory second" Mango Classic bodyshell. This resulted in it being a little overweight at 35 kg, but it's still a great bike.
It was a considerable perk, for which I remain grateful, that Sinner allowed me to build my own Mango. I paid for it by working extra unpaid days. However Sinner got good value for money from me as I was paid minimum wage, and did a lot of extra unpaid work in promoting the product, making videos, replying to emails, and improved how well they were known within the English speaking world.
Sales problem and genesis of the Mango Sport
Just before I started at Sinner they had had a new and expensive mold made for the Mango+. When I arrived the company had a backlog of orders for the old Mango while new orders were almost all for the improved "plus" model.
At this time both the Mango and Mango+ were equipped identically and customers weren't give much in the way of reason to choose one or the other. By default all Mangos were supplied with an 8 speed derailleur gear system similar to what you might have found on a €300 mountain bike and a front derailleur was an optional extra.
The Mango and Mango+ had the same weight (a little too heavy) and they had the same price. The Mango+ offered more luggage space and so new orders were predominantly for that model. After all, who was going to order a plain old "Mango" if they could have a "plus" ? Total sales were not enough to keep us employed once we had caught up with the backlog of orders. The company called a meeting in late 2009 to discuss how we could increase sales.
Mango Sport prototype, January 2010. Note hydraulic disk brakes which I suggested
as being more attractive for exports. Unfortunately they didn't work out so well
It was my suggestion to give the two different body shapes distinct personalities and therefore to make them each appeal to different parts of the market. While all Mangos would remain practical for all purposes, one model should be aimed at those for whom speed was most important while the other should be for those for whom comfort was most important.
The older body shape could be made slightly lighter than the plus because the curve in the rear body adds strength. The original mold also had smaller wheel openings so was better suited for narrower tyres. My suggestion was to re-introduce the original Mango as the "Mango Sport" - a stripped down racing version.
I suggested that we could reduce weight and improve performance by looking at all parts of the Mango. The body could be lighter if built with fewer layers of glass where appropriate and by using carbon fibre where it was important for strength. The gearing system should use desireable racing components, Dura Ace and/or Ultegra ten speed and compact double front chainset in place of the mix of Chinese no-name and Deore used at present. The wiring loom should be simplified and internal lights omitted in order to reduce weight. The seat should have ventilation holes. In place of the boring touring tyres normally fitted to the Mango I suggested the fast and light folding versions of the Schwalbe Durano should be fitted at the front and the slightly wider Kojak at the rear. I suggested the name "Mango Sport", that the colour should also be changed from bright yellow by default to a more restrained two-tone with the look of a 1930s express train. In any case, white and grey gel-coat are lighter in weight than yellow (because fewer layers have to be used to get even coverage).
None of this was really radical, but it was novel at the time. Like Sinner, the competition also had managed to forget about the importance of weight. Quests weighed 38 kg and more at this time. The Mango Sport was just 27.5 kg delivered to the customer. This transformed the feel of the velomobile, making it very quick to accelerate and fast on a race track with corners. At the same time, I also proposed accessories such as a racing hood as adding this would make the Mango Sport competitive in a straight line with a Quest without hood.
Over the next few weeks we weighed everything so that we could see how much weight was saved at what cost by changing different components. I wrote the specification and the original marketing material in English, which was then translated into Dutch and German.
The Mango Sport was introduced in January 2010 and it was immediately a success. Sales boomed and were now predominantly of the Mango Sport.
Peter racing the first Mango Sport Red Edition. This
prototype had a few differences from normal production. The
indicators were operated by a circuit which I built around an
NE555 but I did that only once as it took too much time.
Later that year I suggested the Mango Sport Red Edition as a top-end Mango Sport. This re-introduced the full wiring loom and internal headlight as well as new luxury features such as a USB outlet on the dashboard. The added weight was offset by more use of carbon fibre. This was to be red and white - red because it wouldn't add too much weight, it was associated with racing (Ferrari etc.) and the first customer, Peter, liked red. I named it "The Mango you've always wanted" and it was again a big sales success.
However, that's not all that I suggested. I also pointed out in 2009 that this would leave the Mango+ as a poor relation. The Mango+ should also be made more desirable and my suggestion then was to go upmarket and produce the Mango Tour fitted with high-end components like the Mango Sport but chosen from MTB group sets in order to maximise the range of the gearing. This should of course include other luxury additions to support long term touring. I suggested that we needed to fit a hub dynamo and charging regulator to allow touring independent of mains electricity with mobile phone, GPS etc. in use.
I designed electronic circuitry for safely charging the battery from either a solar panel or dynamo and also for USB outlets built into the dashboard to power other devices inside the Mango from the main battery. I also greatly reduced power consumption of the indicator lights by correctly limiting the current through the LEDs. This was not done correctly on many Mangos and Quests in the past and that is what causes indicator LEDs to fail.
When I left Sinner there were three Mangos available:
From late 2010 I no longer was on the payroll for Sinner, but continued to work on a day to day basis until November 2011 when I took my leave to continue to work on our own businesses. I remain friends with my ex-colleagues, but I have no financial involvement in the Mango. I am now just an enthusiastic owner.
Despite this, I still receive many emails asking questions about the Mango. The frequency of these questions prompted me to make this web-page to provide answers. The Mango is a great product which I still like a lot. I know that sometimes Sinner are slow to answer their email, but it's simply not my job to answer for them. If you have further questions which are not answered here, please ask Sinner directly. They're good and honest people, just sometimes slow with email.
What's to like about the Sinner Mango ?
The Mango is not the absolute fastest velomobile, but it is still one of the fastest and that means it is still very fast. It is quite easily the fastest bicycle that I've ever owned. It may seem odd to some people that a heavy bike, and mine is heavier than average, should also be fast, but the aerodynamic advantages greatly outweigh the increased rolling resistance due to weight. An online calculator lets you compare the speed of different bikes with the same pedalling effort.
Mango ground clearance is adequate
for everyday use
For a velomobile, the Mango is relatively manoeuverable. The turning radius is quoted as 8 m, and that's about right when it's fitted with narrow tyres. Often I run wider tyres which increase the turning radius, but it's never been a problem in practice. Ground clearance varies depending on the tyres fitted. It's adequate for everyday use.
The Mango's width is such that it fits through a standard door. This is extremely helpful compared with larger velomobiles. It is also one of the shortest velomobiles and these two dimensions make it a lot easier to store.
The Mango has suspension on all three wheels, essential in a velomobile. All three of the wheels are the same 20 inch, ETRTO 406 size. Relative to velomobiles with a different size rear wheel this is an advantage as when touring I can carry one spare folding tyre and a couple of inner tubes which will fit on any wheel. With a different rear wheel size it's necessary to carry more spares (which fill the luggage area and add weight). While good tyres and tubes make a difference to performance, useable spares can be found anywhere because the same wheel size is used on BMX and many childrens' bikes.
I made a basket to fit beside
the seat in my Mango. It's
convenient for camera, wallet etc.
Mangos can be fitted with a wide range of different gearing options. These include both hub (Shimano Alfine 8 and 11 speed or Rohloff 14 speed), derailleur (MTB or Road bike), or a combination (Dual Drive). In all cases the chain is completely enclosed, leading to a high degree of reliability. I replaced my first chain after 12000 km.
Even in my Classic bodyshell (the same as a Mango Sport) the luggage capacity is huge. I once measured (by pouring in packing pellets) the capacity up to the seam between bottom and top body shell and behind the seat as 70 l. Measured in the same way, a Mango+ has a capacity of 130 l and a 26 inch rear wheel Quest has a capacity of 65 l2. These are all large capacities. Both Mangos and Quests also have considerably more capacity either side of the seat where it can be reached while you ride, and also in the top rear of the bike behind the headrest. I've gone camping with a tent, sleeping bag, camping mat and enough food and drink for several days all packed within the Mango. No panniers or trailer required. A Mango+ has enough room to take along a lot more than I take when camping.
Everything in the Mango runs on one (or optionally two) NiMH battery. This includes front light(s), rear light, indicators, fog/brake light, USB outlets.
My Mango charges its own batteries from a solar panel mounted on the front body. In summer this is usually enough to keep the battery full. In winter when I use lighting more and the available sunlight is weaker, I still need to charge from the mains. I designed circuitry to safely charge, but never overcharge, the battery.
The dynamo option makes it possible to go on long tours without ever having to charge the battery, using circuitry which I designed as a variation of the solar charger. This causes some drag with an empty battery, but once the battery is full there is nearly no drag. However, I also fitted a "race switch" which let one definitely turn off the dynamo if in a competition, or climbing a hill.
2 - The original 20 inch wheel Quest had considerably more luggage space than the original Mango. However, when the Quest design was modified to accommodate a 26 inch rear wheel, this advantage disappeared.
It is possible to have electric assist in the Mango and many other velomobiles, however, personally I think this option is worse than worthless. The law allows a maximum of 25 km/h with electric assist. However, at such a low speed the Mango Sport requires an input on the pedals of just 75 W. That's barely pedalling at all. Much greater speeds are possible in an unassisted velomobile. In fact, with any of the faster velomobiles it's almost impossible not to arrive at your destination with an average speed which is higher than the maximum assisted speed.
Adding electric assist adds costs, reduces reliability, fills some of the luggage space and increases the weight of the bike. This therefore decreases the unassisted and maximum attainable assisted speed as well as reducing the practicality of the bike.
Some people take the law into their own hands and fit electrical assistance set up in such a way that will propel the rider at illegal speeds above 25 km/h. So far as the law is concerned, this means you've transformed a bicycle into an illegal electric car. It has no registration, no seatbelt, bicycle lighting and relies on bicycle brakes to stop. There is no way this would pass the legal standards for a car and it is impossible to insure. If you have a crash and injure someone with such a vehicle then you can expect to be sued. Quite right too. Please don't do this as it can only lead to problems for other people riding unassisted velomobiles.
Why a rear brake is a very bad idea
When I worked for Sinner, potential customers would often ask if they could have a rear brake on their Mango. This request was always turned down.
There is actually a very good reason why you don't want a rear brake on a Mango or indeed on any velomobile or recumbent tricycle which has two wheels in the front and one at the back (some people call this a "tadpole" trike).
One of the most dangerous situations you can ever find yourself in on a tricycle like this is that of losing grip with the rear wheel while you're already moving. The reason why is that the rear end of the tricycle will try to overtake the front. When this happens, the trike spins around. It may slip sideways for a while, but when the tyres have traction again then the trike will roll.
You don't want a rear brake.
Riding the Mango
For riding in snow, a Marathon
Winter tyre is recommended
on the rear wheel.
While working at Sinner I used my Mango for commuting. It was a 30 km trip in each direction, 60 km per day. At one point I was doing this three times per week, even with snow piled high each side of the cycle-path. Compared with my open recumbent the Mango knocked 10 minutes in each direction off the time for my commute. It generally took between 50 and 55 minutes to cover 30 km. My fastest average was just over 47 minutes, an average speed of 38 km/h.
The Mango was also very much more comfortable than anything else I've ever owned for commuting in winter. I rode it for my commute even when the outside temperature was below -10 C (Still air temperature. Windchill would have made it much colder).
For cold weather, the foam cover (supplied as standard) is essential. It reduces airflow and makes it possible to ride in just a T-shirt even when it is -10 C in winter. You do, however, need a warm hat, a good scarf as well as glasses. The foam cover also keeps the seat dry when the Mango is parked. See photos and video.
However, I have also ridden the Mango at temperatures over 30 C. The foam cover is then not needed and airflow through the bike is restored. Most of your body is in shadow so the temperature does not get too high.
Mango camping with tent
I also have gone on many touring rides. For instance, I rode the 235 km Fietselfstedentocht touring event with the Mango
I've climbed inclines up to a 1 in 10 with a fully loaded Mango. Sometimes people wonder whether this is possible due to the weight of the bike compared with other bikes. However it's the overall weight of bike + rider + luggage which is important, not the weight of the bike itself. The total difference in weight for a "heavy" velomobile vs. a "light" touring bike, includind the rider and his luggage can easily be under 10%. Most of the time you're not climbing hills, and then there is a much greater advantage for the velomobile.
For touring with a Mango Classic or Mango Sport I recommend Schwalbe Marathon 40-406 tyres on the front and Schwalbe Marathon Plus 47-406 on the rear. The Mango+ has more clearance for the front wheels and can use the Marathon Plus 47-406 on all wheels.
See videos of the Mango in action in rain, snow and sunshine, riding to the German border and on a New Year social ride.
How my Mango is equipped
Mango skid with 70 mm drums
My Mango has 70 mm Sturmey Archer drum brakes. Initially these didn't provide particularly spectacular braking performance. However, after doing some work on the brakes, using teflon coated inner and lower compression outer cables I could now freeze the wheels and skid should I want to. A blog post described what the problem was and how to do this work and you can buy a kit of parts from our shop.
The front wheels on a bicycle are far more important for stopping than the rear wheels. On the Mango you have two front wheels, so potentially double the stopping power of a conventional bike. Now that they work correctly, I find the drums to be adequate. 70 mm drums potentially can suffer from "fade" if they become too hot on very long descents, but this has not affected me.
I have a Tiagra double compact chainset (50 and 39 teeth), and a 9 speed 105 cassette ( 11-28 ). This is combined with a 26 tooth sprocket on the left side of the mid-drive driving the second chain and the standard 18 tooth sprocket on the rear wheel. Fitted with a 47 mm rear tyre, the wheel diameter is not far at all from 20 inches.
Using the traditional British / American "gear inches" system, this combination gives a range of gearing from a low of 39 / 28 * 26 / 18 * 20 = 40 inches to a high of 130 inches. Converting to the European metres of development figure, this is a range of approximately 3.2 m to 10.5 m. Either way of looking at it, I find this to be an adequate range of gears. Riding up a 1:10 slope with a touring load the low gear is just adequate, while I never spin-out in the high gear unless I'm going downhill at speed. By then it is in any case time to stop pedalling. By fitting different gearing components it is possible to change these ratios quite a lot.
I wrote before about how to check for wear and replace drive-chain components.
Racing with the Mango
I'm not the fastest rider, and don't win races. However, I take part and enjoy it a lot. My best ever racing results have been with the Mango. My fastest result yet was in Groningen in 2011 when I had an average speed of nearly 47 km/h in a race of 43 minutes. For this race I had borrowed a racing hood from one of my ex colleagues at Sinner. It improved my speed by 10% over a race on the same track the previous year.
A year earlier I raced without the racing hood for six hours at an average of nearly 40 km/h.
Other youtube videos show several other racing events.
Working with the Mango
I've also used the Mango to collect stock and to do deliveries for our online bicycle accessories business.
For outsize items I pull a trailer with my Mango. This works very well. Instructions for fitting a trailer hook can be found here. One thing I noticed is that the Mango loses proportionately more of its speed from a trailer than does an open bike. This makes sense as the trailer really ruins the aerodynamos of the bike. However, all the advantages of having everything to hand and protection from the weather remain.
Where to buy parts and accessories
Our webshop, DutchBikeBits.com, has a special section with some of our favourite parts for recumbents and velomobiles, including tyres and lights.
This is Part One. Go forwards to Part Two or Part Three
details of our other bikes, tour stories etc. return to my bicycles index.